Socrates’ main argument goes as follows. On the other hand, the majority is the group of different people, and their opinion can be based on the principles of justice as well as injustice. The claim that justice is “nothing but the interest of the stronger” is a cynical one, but one Thrasymachus repeats again and again in his long discourse with Socrates. Is Socrates mad? The majority of people, on the other hand, say that we should retaliate! When Plato wrote Crito, he was not trying to provide the answer to any issue.Instead, his goal was to encourage people to think about justice vs. … I’m surprised you managed to blag your way in here! Take our advice: let us help you escape. PDF | On Jan 1, 2015, Yossie Liebersohn published Persuasion, Justice and Democracy in Plato’s Crito | Find, read and cite all the research you need on ResearchGate In fact, the majority of people would surely agree that you should be freed! You don’t think it will be just for you to escape from this prison … well I say that it would! Justice in Monte Cristo Recently, I watched the movie, The Count of Monte Cristo. Crito (Justice vs. Injustice) STUDY. Police: Well you might be a bit cheesed off with your death sentence, but what you’re actually doing here is harming the whole of society by escaping! In this paper, I will be proving that this argument is sound. In simple words, it is a dialogue between Socrates and his rich friend Crito on the subject of justice, injustice, and the suitable reaction to it. This is the big question: is justice merely a contract with one’s society, which would seem to imply that since each society has different laws, the demands of justice can vary, or is it something more objective and binding, independent of society? I’m sure my favourite footballers, Socrates and Sokratis, would agree with me! Flashcards. Socrates is very quick to dismiss the opinion of the majority, and favours instead a kind of ‘expert’ view on morality, where one’s moral action should be guided by those who are wise. This dialogue has been abridged and re-worded, with some silly bits added, to make the key arguments more accessible and engaging. Created by. Crito: I guess I agree. It is the story of Edmond Dantes, a naïve and innocent man who finds himself in the midst of an inner struggle to know a God of justice. The personified Laws in the Crito who make the case for Socrates' remaining in prison and accepting his execution rather than fleeing at the urging of his friend Crito, speak not, as is generally thought, for Socrates, but represent instead the city of Athens and its laws. On one hand, Socrates claims that the opinion of the many is of no consequence. The Crito (M.C.) And you’ll be hunted down wherever you go, as you’ll have a reputation for being a lawbreaker, and your reputation will be ruined, even more than it already is! And so it is with justice too: we should disregard the opinion of the majority, and focus only on the opinion of those we think the wisest; if we don’t, we will corrupt our very selves! After Crito agrees, Socrates expands on this thought, comparing the opinions of fools about justice to the opinions of laymen about medicine. Socrates ignores this view, and focuses on society at large, offering a more impersonal view of justice. It doesn’t represent a totally accurate re-telling of Plato’s original (which can be read here). Download Citation | "Justice" in the Platonic dialogues: "The Apology of Socrates" and "Crito" | The article deals with the concept of justice in Plato's Apology and Crito. Is Crito right in arguing that Socrates is unjust by remaining in prison? His friend Crito, who previously (and unsuccessfully) tried to pay for Socrates’ acquittal, arrives to try and persuade Socrates to escape. Crito offers to help Socrates escape prison to evade execution, yet Socrates argues it is wrong for him to escape in response to the injustice he has been dealt. Better to ignore Crito, and stay right where you are. Boethius is accused of having desired the safety of the senate as he made it an initiative to obtain just laws and fair taxation in addition to the attempt to resist and uproot corruption within the political arena. Crito also appeals to the ‘majority’: he says that many people would agree with him that Socrates is acting unjustly by giving up his duties to his loved ones and languishing in prison. Why?! Probably not. And also, think about your friends. Socrates: But DO you though? Socrates: Perhaps it is for the best… you know though, I had a dream in which a woman in white approached me, and suggested that it would be the day after. For neither will you nor any that belong to you be happier or holier or juster in this life, or happier in another, if you do as Crito bids. Liberia, a war-torn country for much of the 1990s, initiated several post-conflict peacebuilding programmes with the hope of building sustainable peace. An ancient prison cell in Athens in where (possibly) Socrates was held. Within Plato’s Crito, there is dialogue between Socrates and his long-time friend Crito regarding the nature of justice and how one should act in the face of injustice. At the beginning of chapter 113, “The Past,” the narrator announces that, “since the death of little Edouard, a great change had overtaken Monte Cristo. I have nothing to say to this, Socrates. D. W. Goldberg - 2000 - Skepsis: A Journal for Philosophy and Interdisciplinary Research 11. However, it is designed to preserve the key basic thoughts and arguments, as well as giving a sense of some of the fascinating philosophical issues that Plato addresses in this dialogue. and that’s it. The Crito, the Apology, and the Republic capture the tension in Plato’s work between a commitment to substantive justice and to formalist legal justice. Socrates: Let’s be specific then: footballers, for example. That is why, Socrates disagrees with Crito’s position. shahanaa. Well, let’s imagine we were caught during our escape by a policeman, who represents the Athenian society. Socrates: Indeed it is, my old friend. Let it be this way: justice demands it. Don’t be afraid to ask: we have the money, and places we can take you where I have friends, and you’ll be safe. Crito is selfish by thinking about the majority's opinions rather than the big picture about justice and piety. Without violent revolutions states can still change drastically over time to accommodate the needs of the society, which Socrates would surely see the necessity of this. In response to Crito's objection that, though they may be ignorant, the public has the power to put a man to death, Socrates replies that this has no bearing on the argument whatsoever. First, Socrates wonders if the ship arrives, because when the ship arrives, Socrates must die (43d). The Laws in Crito does not show a desirable conception of citizenhood; individuals being placed below the state in a hierarchy (Cr.50e5-51a5). It doesn’t represent a totally accurate re-telling of Plato’s original (which can be read, Phaedo (3/3) – the journey to the other side, Phaedo (2/3) – the ‘two worlds’ of existence, and reincarnation, Crito – the social contract and the nature of justice, The Apology (1/2) – the battle-cry for philosophy. Socrates on law in the Apology and Crito. I’m amazed that you’re so happy, given that you’re a man staring his own death in the face. Change ), You are commenting using your Twitter account. Socrates: So you see Crito, in escaping with you, I would be acting unjustly, breaking my social contract, and therefore wronging not just you and our friends, but the whole of society. In a system of substantive justice, rules are flexible and act as “maxims of efficiency” (Unger 90), proxies of justice and virtue. I am ASHAMED of you, Socrates, both for that pathetic attempt at a defence speech in the court, and your apparent decision to resign yourself to death. Though Crito’s arguments are persuasive, and he makes clear that escape would be a relatively safe and sure option for Socrates to avoid death, Socrates refuses, claiming that ‘justice’ demands that he face his own demise instead. Crito’s arguments concern the duties Socrates has to his family and his friends, as well as to philosophy as a whole: his argument is that in failing to take advantage of Crito’s escape plan, Socrates is giving in to his enemies, neglecting his sons, and allowing the state to triumph in its attack on the pursuit of virtue and wisdom, to which Socrates and his friends are devoted. The idea is that by voluntarily living in a society, we form implicit moral and political agreements with that society (a ‘contract’), which form the basis of one’s existence. Crito , is a dialogue that was written by the ancient Greek philosopher Plato. Therefore, Crito then begins by asking Socrates to listen to his reasoning so that he could be saved (44b-c) because he does not want to lose Socrates as a friend and he does not want anybody to think wrong of him. Socrates advocates for reasoned philosophical inquiry (Cr.46b3-6) and trusting opinions of experts (Cr.47c8-d5), due to the epistemic responsibility of experts to guide those lacking expertise; such as a doctor giving medical advice to patients (Cr.47b2-3). Crito: Riiight… but whenever it happens, I cannot (as your good friend) just stand by to see you executed! How these two views fit together, and which one we should prefer, is one of philosophy’s most enduring questions. Plato was able to show a more sophisticated insight into the true meaning of justice. Socrates' reply to this argument is that he would in fact be harming the Laws, which are just. Fill in your details below or click an icon to log in: You are commenting using your WordPress.com account. Do you really seriously believe this important point about harming a person being wrong, even in retaliation? As Plato explains in his dialogue, Crito, Socrates is in prison on a death-sentence. This hierarchy compares the state and its citizens with a master and slaves (Cr.e7-51a2). For Socrates, the Athenian society made it possible for his parents to meet and marry, and for him to be educated and grow up to live a full life. Crito offers to help Socrates escape prison to evade execution, yet Socrates argues it is wrong for him to escape in response to the injustice he has been dealt. Let’s start with whose opinions we should value in this matter. Whose opinion should they value: everybody’s, or those of their coach? Weiss (1998) demonstrates in Socrates Dissatisfied the lack of Socratic values of emphasis on individual freedom and using reason to understand how to act in a just way within the oration of the Laws. YOU said before that I should heed all those people who would bid me be set free, but we have a reason to ignore that majority now. And now you try to run away, which goes against everything in our little agreement. Plato’s Crito is renowned for featuring an early version of the ‘social contract‘ theory of political morality, which later came to be associated with Hobbes, Locke and Rousseau. Breaking out of prison would therefore represent a violation of this contract, and therefore would be unjust. Not to compare myself to Jesus or anything, but, you know, I think he’d agree with this point. By breaking out of here, you endanger them. Let’s just examine what the right course of action is here, and go where the arguments take us. We shouldn’t assume, then, that everything Socrates utters in Plato’s work is a straightforward picture of Plato’s own views. ( Log Out /  Will you stick by it? Socrates pledged a new kind of citizenship resisting the traditional ways that was based on the poetic speculation of Homer. Dougal Blyth - 1996 - Apeiron 29 (4):1-20. Change ), You are commenting using your Facebook account. And is the fact that it is attributed to Socrates suggestive that Socrates himself advocated the view? Crito's Reasoning: Plato's Commentary on Athenian Justice. While in prison, Crito, a friend of Socrates tries to convince him to escape prison and to escape the punishments. Crito: Never mind all that now! Gravity. Police: Damn right. If everybody ignored the law, the whole of society would collapse! One of Crito's strongest arguments in favor of escape comes at 45c, where Crito suggests that Socrates would be abetting the wrong-doing of his enemies in following through with their wishes. In fact, by trying to escape, you are extremely unjust! Socrates: Well, we can agree right away that we should never do what is wrong. ( Log Out /  A state that operates under this hierarchy does not deem. Match. Because staying here was the right thing to do. But they’re wrong. Socrates: Calm down! Socrates ignores this view, and focuses on society at large, offering a more impersonal view of justice. I can see that your mind is made up. It concerns an alleged discrepancy in Socrates' attitude toward civil obedience. Learn. Both men make a compelling case, and their disagreement turns on where the most important duties of a person lie: with our families and friends, or with society? I never signed a contract! Thus, the Count’s attitude toward revenge and justice changes substantially by the close of the novel. Think not of life and children first, and of justice afterwards, but of justice first, that you may be justified before the princes of the world below. You’re completely ignoring the law by doing this! Philosophers Rousseau and (earlier) Hobbes are most famous for the ‘social contract’ idea, but Plato got there first, 1000 years earlier. Justice, Harm, and Retribution Socrates now goes on to exhort Crito to examine the issue of whether Socrates should escape exclusively from the perspective of justice. Socrates’ philosophical citizenship is based on relying on one’s virtue, powers of independent reason, and judgment. Crito Plato’s minor work was a short piece entitled Crito. The idea of moral duties was not new in the time of Plato, but has been influential in ethics ever since: Crito seems to be saying that we have moral duties to those close to us, and also to fulfilling meaningful goals in life, that may outweigh the dictates of the law. The injustice against Socrates was that Socrates faces execution wrongfully, and the Laws seem to acknowledge that Socrates has not violated any laws and is innocent, yet it was the men at the trial who decided to execute him (Weiss, 1998). This shows that morality being dictated by the state does not serve citizens well as it is not a moral expert. The conversation begins with Crito's admittance (or perhaps even boasts) that he obtained access to Socrates through doing something for the prison guard. The idea that we owe something to the society in which we live is a common one, because it is often impossible to imagine our lives, with all their benefits and opportunities, being the same without the society in which they were made possible. Socrates: Well who cares what ‘the majority’ of people think? Socrates: Ironist and Moral Philosopher. Socrates: What? Read on to find out…. By placing the demands of society over the demands of his loved ones, Socrates is satisfied that he will go to a virtuous death; but was this really the right thing to do? This essay relates Plato’s views on Homeric justice in the Apology and Crito to current domestic and foreign policy. No one questioned the idea that criminals should be punished or that the severity of the punishment should be determined to some extent by the nature of the crime. Tomasz Kuniński - 2008 - Diametros:30-44. As a friend to smugglers and bandits, whose behavior he does not see as truly immoral, he feels free to help out those caught up in the justice system. Although he does not offer a definite denotation of justice, he implies that justice requires that an individual abide by the laws of the city by virtue of their citizenship. I’m afraid that people won’t realise that Plato and I tried to bail you out with our offer of €70,000 … they’ll think we abandoned you! Crito: I…… I….. Will you go live in another lawless society instead, like where Crito’s friends live? Crito, then, is wrong to worry about public opinion regarding matters of justice: he should ignore it altogether, paying heed only to those who are wise about justice. In Boethius, justice has a prevalent difference in the way it is carried out compared to justice within Crito. It depicts a conversation between Socrates and his wealthy friend Crito of Alopece regarding justice (δικαιοσύνη), injustice (ἀδικία), and the appropriate response to injustice after Socrates' imprisonment, which is chronicled in the Apology. Socrates: Good, so a footballer should do what the coach tells him to, otherwise he’ll get injured on the pitch, or otherwise come to harm. Monte Cristo sees himself as the arbiter of a truer justice, above the law and given his task by God. Your children won’t thank you for it: they’ll get no education, and be worse off. The Laws do not reflect his views, but are a rhetorical device used by a philosopher who cares for his friends lawless soul (Weiss, The Importance Of Race And Sex In Literature, Personal Narrative Essay: Having A Rough Day In High School. Plato's philosophy made accessible … and fun! Christo Bekker Inc offers a wide range of legal services. Works Cited . 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